Curse

Biggles · May 15, 2007, 06:32 AM // 06:32

Broaden your character options. Broaden your mind. Broaden your anus.

PreWyurm · May 15, 2007, 06:48 AM // 06:48

/not signed

Just no.

VinnyRidira · May 15, 2007, 06:57 AM // 06:57

Well I find the insults very interesting and very pointless. I am pleased to see the lack of support for the idea but at least some people have the decency to just say no and have a simple reason to say why.

Kuldebar Valiturus · May 15, 2007, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by VinnyRidira

Well I find the insults very interesting and very pointless. I am pleased to see the lack of support for the idea but at least some people have the decency to just say no and have a simple reason to say why.

VinnyRidira, I agree about the insults but this isn't my frog pond.

You need to understand one thing:

If you completely overturn and do away with the effort and reward system, the game becomes completely hollow and meaningless.

And that is what your suggestion would do to the game.

Guild Wars already has one of the lowest time/effort investment requirements of any online game. In fact, ANet has been adding more to the achievable goals list because a large number of people wanted more character development, not less.

VinnyRidira · May 15, 2007, 08:12 AM // 08:12

At last a reasonable objection. Maybe I have reached the point where the game is hollow and meaningless already.

MAnderson · May 15, 2007, 08:23 AM // 08:23

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Originally Posted by VinnyRidira

Well I find the insults very interesting and very pointless. I am pleased to see the lack of support for the idea but at least some people have the decency to just say no and have a simple reason to say why.

'Ironic isn't it?
I'm insulting you for you insulting well, practically everyone who plays Guild wars; and much the same, I find your insults humorous and pointless. I may have made a more valid point if wait... The validity of a point is some what restricted by the logic of the OP. You see, those thinking like such obviously are closed minded and in need of a broadening of their mind and thus won't comprehend the point. Don't want to be judged like so? Simple: don't judge others like so.

You see Little Timmy, irony isn't really that hard to understand once you get down to it

now I hope you have learned something today!'

On and end note there is no point in me posting my reason why I don't like the idea. Because many others have already others have posted why it won't work/why they don't like it. You just need to Stop being so closed minded, broaden your mind and then maybe you will get it.

freekedoutfish · May 15, 2007, 09:01 AM // 09:01

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Originally Posted by VinnyRidira

At last a reasonable objection. Maybe I have reached the point where the game is hollow and meaningless already.

Vinny I gave you a huge list of reasons why its a stupid idea. Your asking Anet to completely redesign dozens of armor sets just to fit onto a different professions model.

Your asking Anet to perminantly change your stored information on the database to accept a different professions build, skill sets, attributes, skills and runes.

Thats ALOT of stuff to change ingame. Its not a simply job.

It isnt as simple as just drinking a posen and changing into a little green elf, and having your model temporarily be short and green.

Your asking for a perminant change in your models apearance, the runes it can use, the armor it can use. Its ALOT of damn work, and its something we DONT need when Anet is already working on a 4th expansion.

That is your valid reason NOT to do this. Accept it.

Its you who dont accept that your idea if stupid, when people have given countless valid reasons agaisnt it. And yes you are just lazey!! I dont care whether you have 4 characters here and 4 characters there. Your only asking for this so you dont have to bothered getting titles accross more then one profession, and so you dont have to complete a campaign with more then one character.

Your being lazey. Get off your arse and make a new character instead of asking Anet to completely turn the game on its head and change the fundimental princible of the game.

VinnyRidira · May 15, 2007, 10:41 AM // 10:41

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Vinny I gave you a huge list of reasons why its a stupid idea. Your asking Anet to completely redesign dozens of armor sets just to fit onto a different professions model.

Your asking Anet to perminantly change your stored information on the database to accept a different professions build, skill sets, attributes, skills and runes.

Thats ALOT of stuff to change ingame. Its not a simply job.

It isnt as simple as just drinking a posen and changing into a little green elf, and having your model temporarily be short and green.

Your asking for a perminant change in your models apearance, the runes it can use, the armor it can use. Its ALOT of damn work, and its something we DONT need when Anet is already working on a 4th expansion.

That is your valid reason NOT to do this. Accept it.

Its you who dont accept that your idea if stupid, when people have given countless valid reasons agaisnt it. And yes you are just lazey!! I dont care whether you have 4 characters here and 4 characters there. Your only asking for this so you dont have to bothered getting titles accross more then one profession, and so you dont have to complete a campaign with more then one character.

Your being lazey. Get off your arse and make a new character instead of asking Anet to completely turn the game on its head and change the fundimental princible of the game.

Let me apologize for not recognizing your objections, I certainly am not lazy in this game, but that is besides the point. ANet would not have to make new armour as all the current professions already have more than adequate armour. The changes I suspect would be minor unless the data structures for professions are markedly different, I suspect it is just a single type char but of course I do not know this. If they did it they would have to kick off your armour so you would have to have 5 empty slots to hold your existing armour. They would zeroise the current attribute points for the new profession. Any skills on you bar would be cleared exactly like the 2nd prof change does. As it seems to offend players to suggest ideas in an ideas forum what can I say. Often lousy ideas hold the germs of good ideas. I may have read some of your posts and thought that your ideas were not good but I have never insulted you for them. It is the whole point of this forum to enter into discussion whether it is good or bad depending on your perspective. I guess I will not be playing much more GW until GW:EN. I have played far too much as it is. Hopefully GW2 will be good but that remains to be seen.

MithranArkanere · May 15, 2007, 12:21 PM // 12:21

It's not about work.

When you see a monk in PvP, you know it's a monk without having to select it.
The same for all the other professions.

They look different beause they ar different. That's why armor of the same profession are somehow alike between themselves.

MAnderson · May 16, 2007, 09:11 AM // 09:11

First of all sorry for bumping but I have to show that my stubbornness is more stubborn that VainnyRidira's Stubbornness!

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Originally Posted by VinnyRidira

As it seems to offend players to suggest ideas in an ideas forum what can I say.

Your idea never offended me I thought I made it bluntly obvious that

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Stop being so closed minded, broaden your mind.

is what I had the problem. If you can't see why that would offend then refer to above quote.

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Originally Posted by VinnyRidira

I may have read some of your posts and thought that your ideas were not good but [B]I have never insulted you for them[B/].

Well while I would say the

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Stop being so closed minded, broaden your mind.

is unrelated to the ideas presented I did think that you thought they were. So instead you where just insulting people because they disagreed with you? Kind of childish...

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Stop being so closed minded, broaden your mind.

In the end I was basically trying to tell you one thing:
'People in Glass houses shouldn't throw stones.'

Oh and that gross generalizations are rarely right (see the irony in this one?).

Feme Assassin · May 16, 2007, 09:29 AM // 09:29

man this is the third stupid-useless thread someone wrote on 14/5/07 did that day was special or something now about the thread let me think hell yea its a good idea but hell no you will stay with your warrior someone lock this thread

ayame ftw · May 16, 2007, 09:54 AM // 09:54

even if all the users on this forum type /agree
this change will not happen... (Even if it was useful)
if they cant even change soul reaping and all the other stuff that is broken/missing in the game... and that the majority of the community agree upon…
how can u expect them to change a mechanism that is so complex for a game that’s going to end in a year from now (release GW2)
they have so much more things to do then grant your requests (any request in that matter).
u can even remove the suggestion section from the forum, its pointless…

They will not change anything anymore! Don’t u people get it!

I don’t get why people on this forum write every post with the idea that they are directly talking to anet in hope to change something….
U should realize that u are talking to your fellow guild wars players and share your opinions, feeling, and experiences with them. Not in the first place with Anet

And all those topic’s with /agree /not agee are so annoying
If anet wants a vote on something they will launch a poll them self’s. And even then its doubtful that they actually do something with results of the poll (aka minipet poll, 6v6 Vs 8v8, ect). Basically they do what they want… creating a illusion there is something like community input…

Winterclaw · May 16, 2007, 11:52 AM // 11:52

I'm surprised no one has thought about how this could be useful in the infinate levels and multiple races of GW2.

But there would be 2 good reasons I could see for doing this in GW1 (not that they should now). First off is titles. Let's say you have an E/Mo with 100% cartographer and you want to go Mo/E. You can create a new PC, but then you'd still have to remap everything. The second reason is about skill points. Buying a lot of skills is expensive, even in factions and NF. In the case of the E/Mo I mentioned, you can save a bit on money and time if you could switch primaries.

vdz · May 16, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

I hope you are joiking.....

Sophitia Leafblade · May 16, 2007, 12:03 PM // 12:03

completely /notsigned

freekedoutfish · May 16, 2007, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by VinnyRidira

Let me apologize for not recognizing your objections, I certainly am not lazy in this game, but that is besides the point. ANet would not have to make new armour as all the current professions already have more than adequate armour. The changes I suspect would be minor unless the data structures for professions are markedly different, I suspect it is just a single type char but of course I do not know this. If they did it they would have to kick off your armour so you would have to have 5 empty slots to hold your existing armour. They would zeroise the current attribute points for the new profession. Any skills on you bar would be cleared exactly like the 2nd prof change does. As it seems to offend players to suggest ideas in an ideas forum what can I say. Often lousy ideas hold the germs of good ideas. I may have read some of your posts and thought that your ideas were not good but I have never insulted you for them. It is the whole point of this forum to enter into discussion whether it is good or bad depending on your perspective. I guess I will not be playing much more GW until GW:EN. I have played far too much as it is. Hopefully GW2 will be good but that remains to be seen.

Vinny it doesnt matter whether your skills are wiped and you to re-attain them. The point is that your suggesting Anet let you play through an entire campaign, get loads of titles, and then casually allow you to change your entire character into a completely different profession.

That would completely kill the game.

Why would anyone even bother starting a new low-level character, if they could simple turn their maxed out, lvl20 character into a different profession?

The training areas and islands would be empty and dead. Player wouldnt bother playing through the campaigns anymore, because once they finished a campaign they could simple be anything they wanted.

Where would be the insentive to do missions, quests or even play the game? There wouldnt be any. It would remove the playability of the entire game.

Its simply unfair and its cheating. How is it fair that if you complete all 3 campaigns with a warrior and achieve countless max titles, you then change your profession into a mesmas and allow that mesma to share those accomplishments?

You didnt complete the game using a mesma.
You didnt achieve those titles using a mesma.
You didnt explore using a mesma.

You did it all using a warrior. Its the warrior your good at, NOT the mesmas or the other professions. Its deceptive, because players would see a mesma with "Protector" or "Guardian" and assume he achieved it using that mesma. The truth being you did it with a warrior, and your a complete noob mesma. But they invite u to PUGs and praise you assuming your a good mesma.

Can you not understand any of that?

Again I really dont understand why your playing Roll playing game, if you dont enjoy actually role playing different professions over and over again? Thats the entire point of an RPG...

legion_rat · May 16, 2007, 12:50 PM // 12:50

/unsigned

No flames here. Heres my reason and i will try not to rant. Here is you char. He has spent his whole life from childhood almost, learning to be an warrior. He has honed his body and his mind in the ways of combat. He knows how to use almost any martial weapon, he is athletic and strong. Everything he knows is war.

Now here is your elementalist. He spends alot of his time studying magic. the various elements, the use of personal magic. Wards and Wands. While he may be able to learn a sword he will never be as good as a warrior. His may be tall but he will never posses the strength that the warrior has. But he knows a great deal about magic and the sources it comes from.

Now how does the warrior just switch and become the same as the elementalist? He may have studied magic some but not to the disciplined lvl that the ele has. The ele may be able to wield an axe but how will his small frame ever have the same power as the warrior.

They wouldnt. It wouldnt be a simple switch. Just because you have defeated an enemy you can switch. Story wise i could see defeating Abbadon as a life changing moment. Your warrior desides that maybe he took the wrong path. And then he tries to become an elementalist. BUT he couldnt not change to all the other proffs nor could he switch back to warrior, he has forsaken that to learn magic. Balthazaar would not forgive him.

and i ranted anyway, sorry.

~the rat~

Catsohori · May 16, 2007, 06:44 PM // 18:44

/notsigned...

Badly thought through and shows the person does not wish to play new characters.

VinnyRidira · May 16, 2007, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by Catsohori

/notsigned...

Badly thought through and shows the person does not wish to play new characters.

Your right after playing Nine Character Classes through to Level 20, having completed the three campaigns multiple time with 8 of the characters I really see no point if completing them all. Maybe I would like to do DoA as a Mesmer and not push my Mesmer through Elona first. Maybe there are others that may feel the same but its not at all that serious.

If some people feel offended I apologise, I have never meant to offend. That I have been insulted for even daring to suggest anything is plain. If I felt compelled to recant the idea from compelling argument I would, but as I said previously in the thread that the "hollow and meaningless" was the best reason for not doing this do not feel offended that I thought a lot of the views were very narrow. You are entitled to your opinions and so am I. Who knows maybe one day I will have a "killer" idea.

Krazi Bastid · May 16, 2007, 08:47 PM // 20:47

isnt not wanting to play new professions and beat the campaigns all over again so that you can get titles and the hot shit on one character by definition being lazy?

im sorry your in-game experience has become hollow and meaningless, guess its jus time to say goodbye gw.